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07 November 2007 @ 04:14 pm
How do you hold your needles?  
I can knit holding my needles however (though I kind of suck at Continental), but the way I learned from my grandmother I've never seen anyone but my family do. It's most like Combined, I think, but my grandmother held her work so that it draped over the top of her hand, and the needle holding it rested between her thumb and index finger across the back of her hand. I don't know that I'm describing it that well; I'd think I'd have to show it to get the idea across clearly. She definitely knitted through the back loop as default. Is this a known style, a strange regional variation, or what?

(Also, on top of this, I knit lefty, moving the work from right hand to left--making patterns pretty much useless. Use charts, dammit. >:|

...I knit a lot of scarves.)
...: fabuleuxpurly on November 8th, 2007 01:02 am (UTC)
I know a girl at my stitch and bitch that does this.

She told me that she learned from her grandmother, who is apparently from some other country. I can't remember what country it was. She claims this is a common style in the country her family originated in.

Knitting through the back loop does tend to create a more 'flat' stitch if that makes any sense. She claimed that it uses less yarn.

There's actually an abbreviation in lacework, cabling, etc, for knitting through the back loop: 'k tbl' -- so in some cases it's used as its own stitch type and in those cases I don't know how you would perform the stitch you need.
Kadath in the Cold Wastekadath on November 8th, 2007 01:03 am (UTC)
My grandmother was from Quebec. Was your friend's country a French colony? I'm pretty interested in where the style originates.
...: fabuleuxpurly on November 8th, 2007 01:05 am (UTC)
My mind is drawing a black -- I want to say she was Dutch. I will ask next time I see her, though I don't go to SnB very often anymore.
Kadath in the Cold Wastekadath on November 8th, 2007 01:06 am (UTC)
Well, that's near France. ;) Maybe it's a European thing.
...purly on November 8th, 2007 01:07 am (UTC)
I don't think it's a common enough style.

I think that any way you make a stitch is valid, as long as it comes out the same. But I actually think what you're describing would knit slightly differently.

This is going to bug me :)
Kadath in the Cold Wastekadath on November 8th, 2007 01:12 am (UTC)
k2tog is different in this style. Memere taught me to flip the loops around and then k2tog. You'd probably do something similar for other stitches to get the ktbl effect.

I'll ask Mom over Thanksgiving. She knits (when she knits) in that style, but she may never have learned lacework or cabling.
...purly on November 8th, 2007 01:15 am (UTC)
Maybe you're talking about combined knitting?

There's a video here: http://www.knittinghelp.com/videos/knit-stitch
Kadath in the Cold Wastekadath on November 8th, 2007 01:17 am (UTC)
No, I looked at that before I made the post. It's similar, but not quite the same. Also, she's clearly uncomfortable with that style, whereas Memere flew, so it's hard to compare what they did.

I bet one of my great-aunts knows.
...: fabuleuxpurly on November 8th, 2007 01:21 am (UTC)
I would be interested in knowing if you find out :)

Ultimately, knitting manuals used to be much-reduced in information. Describing how to do a knit stitch without pictures can lead to misunderstanding.

And although knitting didn't predate the written word, I believe it was mostly passed down from generation to generation. Ultimately, cultural boundaries led to different styles.

I know a knitter that was originally from Norway and she said that some of the stitches she was taught were different, so I'm not surprised that your grandmother would have her own method of knitting.

You should learn it and post a youtube vid.
Kadath in the Cold Wastekadath on November 8th, 2007 01:25 am (UTC)
I don't think anyone in my family ever learned from a manual. It's all passed-down tradition.

If I ever get it figured out, I'll make a video. Right now Western is my tightest stitch, so I'd be embarrassed to go on tape with Memere's style until I could get it perfect.
...: memoriespurly on November 8th, 2007 01:27 am (UTC)
:) If it were me, I wouldn't want to give away the 'secret family stitch'
Kadath in the Cold Waste: Kusanagi smilekadath on November 8th, 2007 01:30 am (UTC)
Ha! I doubt it's secret. I bet everyone in rural Quebec knits that way.

Besides, I'm probably the youngest person in the family who knows it, and I'm not planning to have kids, so I have to pass it on to someone!